Two Popes, Now..How About Those Miracles?
Nobody’s Opinion
It’s must be nice to be the head honcho: If you are not Catholic, you might have missed what happened Sunday:
VATICAN CITY (AP) – Two 20th-century popes who changed the course of the Catholic Church became saints Sunday as Pope Francis honored John XXIII and John Paul II in a delicate balancing act aimed at bringing together the conservative and progressive wings of the church.
Well, uh..is it me? Wasn’t that a bit…fast? Usually the ‘saints’ are long dead before they can be sainted—But hey! This is a NEW pope, and like Obama, he probably thought to himself, “YES I CAN!”
Only one miracle is needed in order to be beatified, or to be allowed for veneration in the fallen’s homeland. Two are needed for canonization. But again, usual protocol has been abandoned for the double canonization on Sunday. Current Pope Francis has waived the need for a second miracle, allowing for Pope John XXIII to be canonized even after one miracle has been proven.
I want to apologize to any Catholic, but I’m sorry— I think canonizing two past popes as saints is no different that if an American President had given Metals of Honors to two past Presidents.
Obama gave the Metal of Honor to both Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush. Popes, Presidents, I’m sorry. It’s a bit much. I guess Hillary will just have to wait to give one to the other Bush’s.
While you can say that popes deserve honors much more than Presidents, (and I will agree), call it the American in me, but I think it smacks of Kings worship, Queen Worship, and I don’t think men of GOD should be worshipped. But that’s me.
And speaking of Kings and Queens, there were Kings and Queens there to witness the occasion. Even Zimbabwean President Mugabe was there. (I’m wondering if Newt Gingrich said hello.) Newt said this:
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said the canonization was “extraordinary,” noting it was a day of four popes including Benedict XVI. He said there was “no question” that the “core message” of both popes is that “every human being has a basic dignity and that dignity has to be respected, including the right to religious liberty.”
I’m not sure how to take that, are you? Is this a subliminal message to the Jews? Or to Hobby Lobby? And how about all the Catholic democratic politicians that have pushed abortion on the whole world? Okay, every human being has a basic dignity, unless of course, you are aborted. And the Muslims have a right to believe that only ISLAM is the true religion, and infidels should be killed?
To me, the biggest hypocrisy, is when these leaders AND Popes talk every single day about equality, and yet, consider themselves to be MORE equal than every other person on the planet. And forgiveness is for the asking. You pushed abortion, Nancy? No problem–the Pope doesn’t judge you.
Tell me, that’s not hypocritical.
Okay Joyanna, Chill, It’s pomp, its circumstance, the masses love it, so get real. Ease up. It’s a GOOD thing. It’s all about love and faith. To millions, it is.
But to the odd man out like me, it’s just not pure enough.
And while you think I’m being a bit harsh, ask yourself: What would Jesus think of all the pomp and circumstance of this celebration put on by the ….bankers?
An oil and gas giant, several banks and Switzerland-based food megacorp Nestle are among more than a dozen financial backers of the Rome event. The Catholic Church sits upon enormous assets – the Vatican Bank manages $8 billion worth of worldwide investments as well as 33,000 accounts for clergy and parishes – but its governing body, the Holy See, made a loss of $18.4 million in 2011.
Gee.. they only lost $18.4 million?
Jesus said:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven”
Tell me, which one of these men are poor in spirit? They might be holy men, they might be truly gods most humble servants, but so are millions of others sleeping somewhere in the dark. .
I guess the old Martin Luther still knocks in my head I still see the simple church, the simple congregation, the simple preacher, who can’t saint anyone but some soldier at his funeral.
Having said all that, like any human being, I am in awe of the sheer beauty and the artistry of the whole spectacle, one of the greatest shows ever put on earth….but….
Tonight, I feel John Adams words ringing in my heart:
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I am a nobody. If the different classes of America were color-coded, I would be in the yucky brown, one rung up from the bottom. I grew up in Naples, Florida and live near the Mississippi River now with my husband and two dogs. I am part of the slowly disappearing middle-class. I was a musician most of my life: drummer/singer/keyboards—but I retired before the plastic surgery flu hit. I have no degrees, which could be a good thing…depending on how you view our educational system. I do have three patents…but that really doesn’t make me a somebody. The one thing that is constant in my life is my OPINIONS, which i have more than perhaps even Carl Sagan could have imagined…mostly political. (yes…my ancestors were crabby buggers)
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As a Catholic I have to agree in part with you, dear friend, and disagree in another.
The ‘speed’ issue is not so astonishing in an age of fast communication. The Canonisation was fast only in comparison to previous eras when news travelled far more slowly and decision-making was even slower. So, that out of the way.
As for Canonisation itself. It is in the Church’s purview to Canonise whomsoever it wishes. True, there are some ‘rules’ but they are simply guides. The Church and ‘heaven’ are seen to be inextricably linked and what goes in the Church also goes in heaven. Christ made that very clear. The entire basis of forgiveness of sin is based upon that. However it was never an exclusive gift to the Church. God Himself does the forgiving – and the Saint elevating – even if some is delegated sometimes.
The actions and life of a man or woman may be such that they ‘stand out, above the field’, like a tall ear of wheat in an otherwise ‘level’ crop. The Saint is an especially good and holy person. They earn their place in the Communion of Saints, canonised by a Pope or not.
It is doubtless a truism that some good men are ‘elevated’ to Sainthood for ‘politico-theological’ reasons. Some not so good ones too, in all likelihood. I can wonder, along with you, just what the other Saints have to say about that as these odd-bods come floating by. A seemingly ‘Christian’ act that mocks God is an especially heinous sin.
Yes, all are equal in the sight of God, when they come into this world, but they are far from equal after a while due to their own free will and choices. It is God’s judgment. As for Popes judging politicians, to my mind they are remiss not doing so far more often. Perhaps if they did speak out more clearly and critically, the Bidens and the Pelosis would re-think what they say and do. Perhaps they might find remorse and make recompense for their sins – which are very obvious to even a ex-lapsed and still poor Catholic like me.
Kings? Hierarchy? Yes, it sounds strange to modern ears but this is more an artefact of earlier human description. Who really knows just how things are organised in Heaven? It might be fair to say that a Supreme being would not get replaced by popular – or gerrymandered – vote from time to time. That’s pretty certain. Big G is da Big’un.
As for the old question of ‘what would Jesus think’, of bankers amongst many. Jesus was remarkably reticent in condemnations. He said not a word about / against a foreign occupying army, for instance. He wasn’t even a tad critical of tax collectors despite the prevailing opinions around him. In the army instance the words of a soldier takes central place in the Communion Rite of the Catholic Church. “Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but, only say the word and my servant shall be healed”.
Be as humble, my dear. Just as I fail to be.
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As you know, I am extremely happy that you have found solace in the Catholic Church. And we know so little about Jesus, all we can go on is what was written down. History can be bent, rewritten, and nobody really knows sometimes but the few who were there, and THEY all have a different rendition. The Catholic Church has it’s traditions. And I certainly understand people wanting to celebrate good human beings and give them rewards. Nevertheless, I found an abundance of hypocrisy in most organized religions. I always enjoy reading your thoughts amfortas…so, in honor of the Pope, “Go ahead and pray for me!” .
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Your name, m’dear, crops up quite regularly in my one-sided conversations with Him Upstairs. 🙂
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