Joyanna Adams

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Nobody Remembers Malmstrom Air Force Base and UFO’s

Nobody Remembers

“Yes, your father and I saw a UFO. We were driving one night just for a ride, and we saw it over some fields.” said my mother. She was in her nightgown, and I had been sitting on her bed as I often did at night…and so I said to her, “So, you tell me NOW? ” She was in her late seventies.UFO three

This from a lady who never told a lie in her life.

UFOs—- I don’t remember how we got on the subject, but while I’ve never seen one, there is no denying that millions of people all over the planet have. That doesn’t mean, aliens are watching us and flying around every night (Frankly, I’d skip this planet if I were them.) but, today, I thought it would be fun to rehash at least one UFO that they just couldn’t explain away.

The time: March 16, 1967. The place: Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana. The man who tells the story was Robert Salas, who was in the underground command center that day.

The reason this is important, is that this base had ICBMS, which comprise 1/3 of the nuclear triad: Underground missile bases, Nuclear Submarines, and B-52s packing.

There were two complete flights, Echo and Oscar involved. Each flight controlled ten ICBM’s. (Intercontinental ballistic missiles.)

The first incident occurred at the Echo Flight site. At 8.30 in the morning, one by one, each of the missiles went offline. (They cannot be launched). All ten went down. Power had NOT been lost. Now, for even one missile to go offline is very rare, but all ten at once?

Almost impossible.

The Deputy crew member said that he received a call from the security personnel who were above ground. The guard said that a UFO had been hovering over the launch site. Of course, down below, they didn’t believe him. BUT…Two security alert teams also reported that they had seen UFO’s (more than one) hovering over two of the sites.UFO two

That same morning, at Oscar Flight where Bob Salas was, before dawn, the Airmen above saw UFO’s maneuvering in the sky. They said they would streak across the sky, stop, change direction, then return to a position overhead. They told Bob, but he didn’t think much of it.

Then Bob got another call–it was the NCO who reported that there was a UFO hovering at the front gate, and requested instructions. Bob went to tell Lieutenant Fred Meiwald, but the alarm went off, because within a few seconds 8 of the ten Oscar Flight missiles went offline.

At least 16 missiles went offline, something that had never happened before, and has not happened since. Of course, there was no simple way to put them all BACK online with a switch.

It took the whole day to fix it.

An extensive investigation by a Boeing technical representative said there WAS no reason for that to happen. Only an EMP could do it, but the size of the equipment would have had to be very large and put right next to the silo.

I got this story out of a book by John B. Alexander, Ph.D.–called UFO’s: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities. John was a Green Beret, a colonel when he retired from the Army: A project manager at Los Alamos, a member of studies of nonlethal weapons conducted by NATO, a consultant to the National Intelligence Council, the CIA, U.S. Special Operations Command, and the Army Science Board. Pretty impressive resume.

(And why do we have a community organizer as a President? Anybody?)UFOs four

In most of his book John argues about how the government really isn’t trying to hide anything, his reasoning being, all government officials are greedy. They would have to put big money into it, and nobody in ANY department wants to give up their cut of the pie.

He interviewed every man that was there that day, and they all have the same story and they are sticking to it. Either it happened just like they said: Or some bigwig goofed up and everyone was given a cover-up story.

We’ll never know…but I believe it happened, because I listened to Bob Salas tell in in this video.

Tell me that man is lying.

So, why did my mother wait until she was in her seventies to tell me she saw a UFO? Probably for the same reason most people do. Why mention it? People will think you’re crazy.

But my mother AND Ronald Reagan, two of my most favorite people, both said the same thing–they had seen one—I believe them.

And I must admit, I’m a bit envious that my mother got to see such a wonder. And if they do exit, let’s hope they are hovering over all the silos.

That would be such a nice thought..wouldn’t it?

 

September 26, 2014 - Posted by | UFO, Uncategorized |

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  1. I hate telling you this, because you seem like a nice enough person, but Robert Salas is indeed lying, and there is no doubt about it whatsoever. There were only two people at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, and neither of them was Robert Salas. As for his claims regardng Oscar Flight, his own commander has repeatedly refused to confirm anything having to do with a UFO. We also have records from 1967 proving that there were no equipment failures whatsoever at Malmstrom AFB on March 24-25, 1967.

    There were only two people present at Echo Flight on the date Salas insists a UFO took the missiles offline: Eric Carlson, the commander of Echo Flight, and Walt Figel, his deputy commander. Both men have repeatedly asserted that UFOs were not involved with those events in 1967. You are welcome to believe whatever you like, but Robert Salas, author of “Faded Giant”, and Robert Hastings, author of “UFOs and Nukes” have been repeatedly accused of lying about and/or embellishing details of these incidents by those military veterans who served their nation well during the hottest period of the Vietnam War and the coldest of the Cold War. Both men have claimed that Carlson and Figel have confirmed their stories. Unfortunately, both men say they have never confirmed Salas’ claims, and have told him repeatedly that there were no UFOs present. Figel even put him in contact with hsi own squadron leader at the time, because this man was also involved in the investigation of the missile failures at Echo Flight. He concurred that there was no UFO. According to the UFO officer at the time, there wasn’t even an investigation of UFOs in regard to Echo Flight, because nobody ever reported one. And while there were UFO reports on March 24, 1967, not one of them was within 120 miles of Oscar Flight. Salas has told a great many lies, and all have been repeatedly confirmed as such.

    If you wish to know exactly what happened in 1967, and why the missiles at Echo Flight actually failed, and why the Oscar Flight claims are so pointless, I encourage you to examine without cost the following narratives:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/42303580/Echo-Flights-of-Fantasy-Anatomy-of-a-UFO-Hoax-by-James-Carlson [this one is an examination of the issues for those unfamiliar with the case]

    http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/

    I would also recommend that you examine the numerous interviews and articles at the Reality Uncovered website: http://www.realityuncovered.net/. Many of the articles discuss the events at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight in March 1967, and include interviews with both the commander and the deputy commander at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967. To this day, Robert Salas insists that both men confirm his claims of UFO interference, which both men deny strongly. Robert Hastings refuses entirely to discuss these matters in detail or answer any questions regarding the testimonies of these two men, preferring instead to attack the integrity and credibility of those publically raising such issues. Like Salas, he refuses to offer anything substantial in the way of evidence, and fails entirely to explain the details of his claims or to answer any of the valid questions raised by his insistence. What he has done is rely on the craven use of blatant lies and baseless insults in regard to his critics without once managing to refute or even discuss their criticisms.

    A lot information regarding this incident can be found at the Reality Uncovered forum, in particular the Echo Flight Incident thread: http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1688. Every single detail, digression, discussion or subject of argument asserted by both men has been explained and discussed in great detail in the documents and on the websites you’ve been directed to. Not one question has been left unanswered, a statement that neither Hastings nor Salas can honestly affirm. Both men, in fact, are proven liars who have created fiction and called it fact, something anyone willing to actually do the research can determine very readily for himself, as the events — contrary to the claims of Hastings and Salas — have been declassified since before 1980.

    Tim Hebert, an ex-USAF missileer himself, has also written some enlightening articles regarding the case on his blog at: http://timhebert.blogspot.com/. You should take the time to read them.

    Dr. David Clarke, for many years an accepted expert regarding the British military forces’ investigations of the UFO phenomenon, has also discussed this case in the context of the “UFO and Nukes” connection asserted by Robert Hastings and Robert Salas. You can read his article on the subject at http://drdavidclarke.blogspot.com/2010/11/flat-earth-nukes.html.

    The folk tales currently being spread by Hastings and Salas have not merely been dismissed as one possible interpretation of their claims; they have been repeatedly dismantled and shredded — proven as lies by witness testimony and documented evidence. There is no doubt whatsoever that they created this case outright. There were no UFOs involved — it is a lie, and nothing more. Witnesses that both men have presented to the public have actually come forward to dispute the claims these men have made. They insist that their statements were taken out of context and distorted purposely in order to suggest the presence of UFOs where no such presence could otherwise be established. Salas and Hastings have perpetrated a UFO hoax of the worst sort, and have attempted to destroy the reputations and career service of better men than themselves.

    The commander of Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, CAPT (Ret.) Eric D. Carlson, has released the following definitive statement:

    “Let me start by stating that, as best as I can recall, my only contact with Salas and Hastings has been on the phone. I did tell Salas that he could release my name to whomever he wished, don’t know why he needed my permission. I have talked to a newspaper writer in Great Falls, several years age, and a TV producer from one of those UFO shows. With both these individuals I denied any knowledge of any UFO’s at Malmstrom. In addition, I stated that there was no, repeat no, incident at Oscar flight as Salas maintains. The man is either lying or delusional.

    “My only contact with Hastings was a call I received from him regarding his book. I stated that his book sounded interesting and he later sent me a copy which I read and gave away …. At no time did I mention anyone’s mental status; yours, mine, his, or Salas’, although in retrospect I could comment on Salas’.

    “My memory is quite good regarding the events at Malmstrom and there is no doubt in my mind that there were no reports of UFO’s and no incident at Oscar flight. I will be willing to discuss this with anyone who is truly interested in the facts.”

    His deputy commander at Echo Flight, COL (Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., has insisted as well that UFOs were not involved, and adds that his version of this event has been distorted by both Robert Salas and Robert Hastings in order to give the impression that an actual UFO was involved. He asserts very strongly that no UFOs were involved, nor were UFOs ever reported. Regarding the comments made on your website by Robert Hastings, COL. Figel has never, throughout the years I’ve known him, accused me of lying, and has, in fact, been refreshingly open and definitive in regard to the events of March 1967, and has repeatedly confirmed all of the aspects of this story that I’ve made available and that my father, Eric Carlson, has repeatedly confirmed. It’s all just more of Hastings’ pathetic nonsense.

    Walt Figel has released numerous comments regarding the incidents of March 1967, including the following definitive statement:

    “James,

    “First – your dad has not lied about anything nor do believe that he is even capable of lying about anything at all. He was, is, and always will be an honorable man. You should remember that always – I will.

    “Second – Bob Salas was never associated with any shutdown of any missiles at any time in any flight and you can take that to the bank. Just think about this for a split second. He is a person wrapped up in UFOs to the Nth degree. Yet he could not remember he was not at Echo. Then he thought he was at November – wrong again. Then he thought he was at Oscar – wrong again.

    “Third – There is no record about anything happening at November or Oscar except in people’s minds that are flawed beyond imagination. Salas has created events out of the thin air and can’t get the facts straight even then. My best friend to this day was the flight commander of the 10th SMS at the time. He and I have discussed this silly assertion in the past couple of years – he thinks it is all madeup nonsense for sure. I put both Salas and Hastings in touch with him and he has told them both that an incident at November or Oscar never happened. In addition he was subsequently stationed at Norton AFB where the engineers tested the possible problems. No little green men were responsible.

    “Fourth – I have always maintained that I do not nor have I ever believed that UFOs exist in any form at any place at any time. I have never seen one or reported that I have seen one. I have always maintained that they had nothing to do with the shutdown of Echo flight in Montana.

    “Fifth – The event at Malmstrom has a hand written log from me that was turned in just like all the other logs that I wrote over several years. I would think that if I wrote something like that in the log, there would be copies, it would have been classified at the beginning and then released along with the classified SAC messages and base reports. Nothing in that urgent SAC message even hints of UFOs at all and I think that it would if the official logs or telephone calls had referenced that fact.

    “Sixth – When it happened, neither your dad nor I were “visibly shaken” by the events. It was just another day with a unexpected event in our lives. It was rather underwhelming at the time. No one rushed out to see us, no one made us sign any papers, no one interrogated us for hours on end.

    “There is no Air Force “cover-up” [of the events of March 1967]; it just did not happen the way Salas and has portrayed the course of events. I am sorry that you are all caught up in a pissing contest with these people, I really am. They are just not going to let go no matter what you say or do. He has made a 15 year career pandering about the country talking about things he has no knowledge about. I am not at all interested in taking them on – it’s not worth my effort – I have more important things to do with my life. I much rather just stay out of it.

    “Hopefully, we can move on. I did read about a briefing on the 27th here in DC. I am here in VA about 10 miles away. Interesting. Hopefully this helps you and confirms to you at least that your dad is a straight shooter and does not lie to anyone.”

    Robert Salas’ commander at Oscar Flight, Frederick Meiwald, insists that he doesn’t even believe in UFOs — a strange comment to make in light of Salas’ insistence that a UFO took out the missiles at Oscar Flight during an incident that resulted in an injury to one non-commissioned officer, requiring that man to be evacuated from the site by helicopter. When interviewed by Robert Hastings, he stated unequivocably that he doesn’t remember anything at all about a UFO. In fact, Robert Hastings himself has written:

    “Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said about the incident because he had been resting/sleeping when the first missile or two dropped offline -— which occurred moments after Salas received a report from the Oscar Flight Security Controller about a UFO hovering over the Launch Control Facility’s front gate.

    “Although Salas had quickly told Meiwald about that telephone conversation, Meiwald says that he can’t remember it.”

    In another interview conducted by Hastings, Meiwald is equally clear:

    “RH: Okay. Now, when Bob, I think moments [after] he woke you up, or you got up and sat down at the commander’s consol—he of course had received a call from the Flight Security Controller, saying that there was a bright red, oval-shaped object hovering over the security fence gate—my understanding is that is what he told you as soon as you were at your consol, that he had received this call and, uh, that of course coincided with the missiles beginning to malfunction. Do you recall him telling you that?

    “FM: I really don’t remember that portion of it, relative to the bright object. I remember an unusual condition [but] as far as the details, uh, I can’t elaborate on that.”

    The following exchange is also revealing:

    “RH: Okay. He of course has also said that you two were, uh, when you were back at Malmstrom, you were debriefed by OSI and required to sign non-disclosure statements. Do you remember that?

    “FM: I remember being directed to do that. But that was no problem. I’ve been one of these people, when told to forget something, I forget it—eventually [inaudible].

    “RH: Right, well, is that a polite way of saying that you really don’t want to discuss this, even though you know more than you’re saying?

    “FM: No, I’m saying I don’t remember.”

    For nearly ten years Salas was using Meiwald as confirmation of the events at both November Flight and Oscar Flight, stating that either my father or someone else called Meiwald on March 16 and told him all about Echo Flight. When interviewed by Hastings, Meiwald stated, “Whatever happened over at Echo, I have no idea.” He has rebuffed completely the attempts by Hastings and Salas to establish confirmation for the UFOs they’ve invented.

    Meiwald has also clearly stated in other interviews with Salas that only 3-4 missiles failed during the one missile failures event he has recalled; he’s NEVER stated outright that the UFO story he told Salas in 1996 had anything at all to do with missile failures; it’s never even been mentioned in context.

    My father, the commander of Echo Flight in March 1967, was present when all ten missiles were taken off of strategic alert by an electronic noise pulse generated internally at the launch control facility. This pulse interfered with the normal operation of the logic coupler on the guidance and control module for that facility, causing thereby the failure of the missiles, which were, in effect, simply turned off. The incident was very well documented and was thoroughly investigated, and every word that Robert Salas and Robert Hastings have ever said on the subject has been repeatedly discounted or proven outright to be little more than lies and embellishments created for the purpose of making money from the sales of their books, the sales of associated videos, and the speaking fees they charge as a matter of course when retelling their ridiculous little folk tales.

    I’m not asking you to believe these points I’ve outlined. It isn’t necessary, as they’re already included in the public record and can be examined by anyone who’s interested in the subject. I do ask, however, that you give some further thought to claims you’ve discussed. You should be aware that there is another point of view in regard to this matter — one that has been repeatedly confirmed by those men who were actually involved with this singular event in USAF history, has been very well-documented through the years, and was very thoroughly investigated by the USAF for some months after the incident itself.

    There were only two witnesses at Echo Flight in March 1967: the commander of the flight, CAPT Eric D. Carlson, and the deputy commander, COL Walter Figel, Jr. Both men have publically afirmed that there was no UFO. Robert Salas is merely an agitator who created for himself a second career — a liar and a fraud who has repeatedly misrepresented the claims of the men involved in these incidents. He started utilizing this methodology years ago, found out it was convincing to a few ignorant people, and continues his path of slander and disruption as a result of this minor success. He’s just a petty con-man and a fraudulent huckster — nothing more.

    Most sincerely,
    James Carlson
    Albuquerque, NM

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    James Carlson's avatar Comment by James Carlson | October 1, 2014 | Reply

    • My goodness…I just wrote the longest reply, and it did NOT post.

      So, second time around..here goes:

      First, I am VERY honored that you would even read my post, and thank you for taking time out of your busy day to enlightened me on your father’s work.

      I will go and read all your suggestions, but I do have a question: Why were there only TWO men at the sites? Is this common? Only two men manning all those nukes?

      Mr. Carlson, I got all of the information from a book I was reading, by John Alexander (see post) and I think perhaps you should get ahold of him and tell him YOUR story. He included this story in one chapter of events that HE said couldn’t be explained away. Obviously, he does not know about you or your father. He said he talked to other men besides Bob. I’m sure he would be very interested in what you have to say.

      My blog is, of course just what it says, “Nobody’s Opinion.” It’s opinions, not facts, and just my thoughts on things I read or things in the news.

      My personal opinions (Outside of whatever I read) on whether UFO’s have ever tried to stop nuclear missiles, is probably skeptical. I’ve always read them with the thought of probably it’s somebody’s propaganda story to get the world to end war.

      So much is made up to , let’s face it, make money.

      Having said THAT…I’ve only read a mere 27 books on UFO’s and I do think that many people really believe they have seen something they think is not of this world, and that includes many highly intelligent people…like Ronald Reagan.

      I stay open minded. And I still think that Bob doesn’t look like he is lying. But then, Obama never does either.

      Thank you again, and I just wish my OTHER response would have posted..it was the better of the two.

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      Joyanna Adams's avatar Comment by Joyanna Adams | October 2, 2014 | Reply

      • Thankyou for such a gracious response. I assure you, from my experience, that is not normal. UFO advocates tend to be very protective of published claims, and have little patience with those who publish contrary assessments. If you read “Americans, Credulous”, you’ll note that there’s a lot of anger in that narrative; that anger is primarily the result of the many insults I’ve received, the many claims that my father is a liar and a traitor that I’ve had to wade through, and the many accusations that both my father and I are mentally ill and belong in a hospital. In my opinion, the anger was justified, and I made no attempt to leave it out, particularly given the fact that the information is still good and the claims are unchanged. You may wish to start off with the second article — it’s less angry, and caspulizes the case well. It’s also much shorter!

        In regard to your question about the two-man crews: it is normal for the crews on duty to consist of two men. They spend their two-days of duty in a bunker 60 feet underground that has been specially rendered to protect it as much as possible from a nuclear attack, thereby enabling a missile response to such an attack should it be necessary. They are officers, not enlisted, and are responsible for everything having to do with the missiles. That being said, there is a security presence on the surface of each flight, and this consists of anywhere from 7 to 12 men. They are responsible for the physical security of the flight, including the entranceways to the capsule crew and to each of the missile silos. As such, they are under direct orders from the two-man crew underground when maintenance or physical security matters are raised in regard to the missiles themselves. Each two-man crew is responsible for ten missles, and each missile is separated from the other missiles and has the same protective structuring that the crew capsule has. So we’re talking about a fairly large area. There aren’t rows of missiles set up, because if there were, it would be much easier to take all of them out of commission with a couple of missile strikes.

        I’d like to add as well, that my intention is not to casually dismiss all UFOs. I’m concerned for the most part with this one case, and tend to let others worry about the rest of them. That being said, I’ve gotten to know quite a few skeptics over the years, and to a great extent consider their evaluations of specific cases to have some value. Combined with the somewhat incestuous relationships that many UFO authors have with each other, this viewpoint puts me solidly into the skeptical side of the issue. But the scope of UFO studies is so wide, I’d have to be an idiot to think they’re all easily explained. As a result, I primarily discuss this case alone, although I don’t mind telling people what my conclusions may be in regard to other cases.

        I’m sorry I’ve taken up so much time — I do needf to got to work right now, but when I get home, I would like to comment on your discussion of UFO authors in general, and why they tend to perpetuate claims that they know are not conclusive or honestly presented. Thanks again for being so gracious; we all have our own opinions, but that doesn’t mean we have to be mean spirited or ugly when those opinions are contrary from another’s (although I do tend at times to respond to rudeness with rudeness of my own — but I am working on that!).

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        James Carlson's avatar Comment by James Carlson | October 2, 2014

  2. The operative qualifying word is ‘Unidentified’. It always seens odd to me that our modern world thinks of flying saucers / aliens from outer space and our ancestors thought of gods and angels. We even give ‘old’ names to phenomena we are only just seeing, like the ‘Sprites’ that reach up from thunderheads right up into the top of the atmosphere. Ionised air can produce glowing orbs of plasma that move around and even bounce on the floor. They seem to be related to underground tensions and are quite often seen near earthquake areas.

    I was an Air Force Officer too with ‘hi-tech’ radar at my hand. I have seen fighters scramble to chase UFOs which any radar controller could tell you was annaprop or tangential echo. The former were ‘spots’ that were the ground miraging and the latter can give ‘returns’ that travel across the screen as though it were some aircraft / space ship doing 5000 mph.. But heck, it was always fun for the jockies to scramble and do a re-heat climb to 60,000 in a minute. Good practice.

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    Amfortas's avatar Comment by Amfortas | September 26, 2014 | Reply

    • Okay…you’ve never seen one either! LOL! It’s all great fun.

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