Joyanna Adams

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The Pentagon is Pissed? Really? Well, So Are We.

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Hillary Clinton and Leon Penetta were all over themselves apologizing for a video that was posted of four Marines urinating on three dead Taliban bodies. The Pentagon is mad.

KABUL, Afghanistan — A video showing four United States Marines urinating on three dead Taliban fighters provoked anger and condemnation on Thursday in Afghanistan and around the world, raising fears in Washington that the images could incite anti-American sentiment at a particularly delicate moment in the decade-old Afghan war.

(You’re kidding me right? Like there IS no anti-American sentiment now?)

Mr. Karzai said that he was deeply disturbed and that he had asked the Americans to punish the perpetrators severely.
“This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms,” he said. The actions of the Marines in the video could amount to a violation of the Geneva Conventions.”
I won’t say much about this, but let me get this straight: It’s not the fact that these men are DEAD that is the problem, it’s the fact that these Marines, whom as far as we know, might have lost buddies to these Taliban dead guys: decided to show their dissatisfaction to their corpses.
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 While most people find this going a bit too far, on the other hand, if our government prosecutes them as war criminals, THEY should be put on trial, because THEY sent them over there, in a war, to KILL the Taliban in the first place. In fact: we trained the Taliban in the first place. And now, they are bringing our soldiers home in defeat, in what is certainly not any kind of victory. I’m sure, they are the Taliban’s biggest laughing-stock.
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If anyone should be mad, it should be the American citizen for just how badly the whole war was conducted—Not to mention how much it cost us– not the lame joke of a few soldiers.

Has Hillary forgotten all those people who were KILLED on 9/11? You can’t even find their corpses. At least those Marines left the Taliban bodies to bury. We just dump our bits and pieces of blown up soldiers in some empty landfill in Virginia.

WAR is hell, and unfortunately, our liberal elites have NO idea what’s it’s like to spend day after day getting shot at, and then finding out, all your fighting has been for nothing because the enemy is being forgiven and helped back into the country with the blessings of the Commander-In-Chief, who goes by the common name of our enemy: Barack Hussain Obama.

Many people feel that the U.S. exit from the battlefield is no different from when the Russians left Afghanistan after ten years.  There was no American victory there. The Taliban considers that they have beaten the Americans. That HAS to be hard on our brave soldiers.

Some men in war…just snap. At least they didn’t do what the Taliban do to their enemies: cut off their heads, and desecrate their privates. Right. The Taliban honors the Geneva Convention.

What a joke.

I’m stopping here because this is so uncalled for: Hillary should have said today: “War is hell, for everyone.” And walked off.

Hillary would be stupid to make a big thing about this: the American people will stand behind their Marines. It won’t play well in an election.

My friend Mona, after seeing the video…expressed it well: 

Sorry, but when our troops see the filth and horrendous pain that those people inflict on their own, and our people and country what those soldiers did was mild to what I am sure most would cheer them on to do. How can our men feel anything but that they are actually not even worth wasting their piss on, and I feel for those men. Who could blame them for how they felt and the one who took and posted this should be pissed on and hung as far as I am concerned as who ever put those men in harm’s way: what fools do, and I do not mean those Marines either!

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January 12, 2012 - Posted by | Afghanistan, Obama, Uncategorized, vets, War | , , , ,

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  1. Hatred is a ‘feeling’ which can be replaced by pity or compassion or a host of other ‘feelings’ while allowing the mind to direct what needs to be done. You kill in war to protect your home, family and way of life. Hatred does not mix with protection. You could ask a surgeon how he/she can cut a man’s (or woman’s) guts open and shove his hand into their innards. War is analogous to surgery, but more patients die.

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    Comment by Amfortas | January 13, 2012 | Reply

    • Let’s tell that to those women who fight over socks at Wal-Mart on Black Friday.

      Joyanna Adams

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  2. “We don’t fight to win anymore, and so how do you tell soldiers…you are not fighting to win, but the “help” . When did “war” become a “gentle” game of image?” (Joy)

    Right. We HAVE to fight to win, otherwise we destroy all honour by making war a ‘game’. A Politician’s game. It is an unfortunate fact that we have to kill an enemy lest he kill us and destroy our families and home. But how we go about doing it has a significant effect on our mental stability and the health of our soul.

    I do not advocate ‘gentle’. I advocate hard, fast effective action. But clinically. Without hatred. We fight other men who, to a Martian, are indistinguishable. To God too. Remember he sent his Son to save sinners, not just honourable men. And by crikey the Taliban are sinners. Jesus would have wept for them, just as he praised the Roman Soldier who sought his help.

    The landscape of the soul is as complex as any found in the world.

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    • That’s a good one!   Well, how do you “kill” without hatred?   Cool hand luke, you are! Well, drones really are the answer.   Hey, I’m getting slap happy over here…it’s Friday night, and I’m looking at my credit cards here…give me break.

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  3. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unless-you-have-been-shot-at-by-the-taliban-shut-your-mouth-war-is-hell-allen-west-weighs-in-on-urinating-marine-scandal/

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    The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
    As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.

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    REVLOUM
    Posted on January 13, 2012 at 5:03pm
    I wish Col. West had run. I’d have voted for him DD quick!
    But, while I haven’t been shot at by the Taliban, I have been shot at. We should not be collecting scalps, ears, fingers, teeth or photos of US urinating on THEM. WE, as Americans, are BETTER than that. Honorable in battle, humble in victory. WE are not the babrbarians, THEY are. The World is watching, and keeping score. When called to somewhere else, (anywhere else), the World will remember…and our efficacy can be affected by their perceptions.

    Me.
    Ditto .While I was in Borneo we Brits did little or nothing to discourage the Dyak people from bring in Indonesian ears as ‘proof of kill’. War is hell and we all do badly. But we can learn. We can be better.

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  4. A few of the troops under my command. Joyanna, would have tried to get away with murder if they were not supervised properly. Especially the younger ones. No-one is a saint, unfortunately, and we are all subject to strong emotions. And not a little immoral, dishonourable conduct from time to time. But we must all try to be better than we were. 🙂

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  5. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unless-you-have-been-shot-at-by-the-taliban-shut-your-mouth-war-is-hell-allen-west-weighs-in-on-urinating-marine-scandal/

    My goodness, You certainly must know you have all my respect. We do not disagree that it was a rather bonehead thing to do.

    What I’m mad about is to condemn a whole army, a whole country…is just beyond belief..and thats what’s happening all over the world.

    Here’s another man who feels even more strongly about it than I. And he WAS in the military. (see link above)

    I’m just a nobody with a strong opinion. There is no way I could ever know how hard it is to go to war, as I have never experienced it. BUT, that doesn’t mean that our leaders should not also be held responsible for their actions.

    Its the old “Cast the first stone” rule.

    I’m sure the soldiers under your command would not have EVER done anything such as this: but you must know, not every commander, nor every person on this planet can be such a great leader. Our world, our armies, and our countries…are changing.

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    Comment by joyannaadams | January 13, 2012 | Reply

  6. I can take the whacks, Joyanna. While this episode is to be deplored, I do not speak from any historical or nationalistic ‘holier than thou’. The British have a long history of military dishonour, even criminality. Honour had to be written down in ‘Rules’, starting with Samuel Pepys’s establishment of the regular Royal Navy just after the time of Cromwell (when Britain had a civil war and executed the King, remember. The New King was restored but made a pig’s ear of the navy. Pepys took charge from a Clerk’s desk.)

    Right up to the modern day. Why do you think I had to educate my own troops and the Americans under my joint-service command? It is always a struggle to rescue honour from the madness of war. But the difficulty does not excuse.

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  7. Honor, comes from a moral society. Since Christian morals are being killed here in the United States by “Obama” …we will probably see more of this stuff.

    Obama lied: America is NOT nor ever has been a Muslim nation.

    You have showed the finest honor of the British society with you answer amfortas. Honor. Honor. Do not hate your ememy.

    LOL! Unless of course she’s a woman who took all your money and ran! (sorry, MND comes back to mind)

    But, to single out a few men for acting like idiots, than we cold argue that the whole concept of “killing” could be claimed to be immoral. We walk a fine line when we talk about what is honorable and what is not. If killing someone is ‘honorable’ and honoring them in death is a moral thing to do, and by all means, most of the British AND American soldiers adhere to this, then the one percent who does not, should be reprimanded…AND their immedieate superiors.

    Discharge them. (AND THEIR SUPERIORS) And tell the world they were reprimanded.

    NEVERTHELESS: Having noted the fine service that you have given amfortas and the many like you who are ashamed of this: the overreacation of our politicians is absurd, and I even heard an American geneal say this on TV this morning, so I guess we Americans, who usually bear the main cost AND lives of the fights, get just a little peeved.

    Unlked our British ancestors, we have a bit more cowboy in us. Call us immoral if you must, but the American soldier has always been there for you.

    We have lost over 17,000 men in Afghanistan, and Karzai has the NERVE to make a big deal out of this? HOW much money have we given that man? Billions? And he has taken our billions given his loyalty to the Taliban. We even protect his drug business.

    Our leaders are: honorable morons.

    We protect and bow to the the HONORABLE Taliban, who beat thier women, cut off hands, and heads?

    Imagine being a mother who lost her son in Afghanistan hearing this. She might think these men did an honorable thing, and I wouldn’t blame her.

    There must be rules, it’s the only way to win a war. All must act as a whole. That’s the military, and it works.

    BUT…Thoughout war, and thoughout history men in battle have scalped, collected ears, cut off heads, some even raped. etc. They can be found in every war, from every country, (including Britian) soldiers without honor.

    You have taught me amfortas, that when it comes to politics, the world IS what it is…to me the leaders of the world have committed a much more grevious crime than these Marines…and you say…well, that’s JUST the way it is. So, can’t we say the same about the less than honorable in war?

    There are men who, as you know, love the game. Keeping conotrol of you men is hard, especially under the horrors of war. But…we Americans went through Vietnam, and now this. WE are tired of our leaders humiliating US.

    We don’t fight to win anymore, and so how do you tell soldiers…you are not fighting to win, but the “help” . When did “war” become a “gentle” game of image?

    It’s a complete oxymoronic phrase. Those soldiers are under such stress, they can’t even “shoot” wihtout some kind of permission. They are being shot at, and must get permisson to shoot back. Sometimes the order never comes. Many a time they are shot dead, waiting for the commandar to get to them.

    We are like the British were in America in the Revolution in Afghanistan. Your soldiers gathered in nice neat military lines…and we fought like guerrillas. We, fought less “honorably” but we won. That doesn’t mean the Brits weren’t brave…it’s all about the circumstances isn’t it? It’s not honorable to lose.

    We fight an enemy who do a lot more to our dead boys, the whole Islamic world is inhumane and immoral, to Christians, and to those who believe that women should have the right to just sit in the sun like men. Even the cavewomen had it better.

    It’s good that we as a society have morals, even in war. BUT…it’s not good when our leaders take an incident and blow it up to sound ONCE again, that we are so, so, so, so sorry.

    Americans, once again, painted as the bad guys. I’m sick of it.

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  8. A very solid blog post. Well done!

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    Comment by Dandapani (@Dandapani) | January 13, 2012 | Reply

  9. The issue of war – this one in particular – and the actions of soldiers vis a vis their enemy, are separate and distinct. One can carp and blame the politicians for their behaviour and action separately. In this instance we see and comment on the actions of these marines.

    I have always held the marines in high regard. They have earned it. Marines are an Honourable force, usually marked by intelligent application of force and a fine attitude toward their own.

    But this is insufficient for the souls of the marines, individually.

    Honour for the Corps stems from the honourable actions of the men in the Corps.

    This is dishonourable.

    They are showing an unintelligent, crass disregard for their enemy. If the enemy were so fearsome as to need the marines to counter them, then they deserve respect too.

    I always taught my troops to kill the enemy but not hate him. Nor dishonour him and themselves by crass, dishonourable actions.

    These young men have been taught the science of war but not its art. The Officers and NCO in charge of these four men need to carry their share of the blame. THEY HAVE FAILED.

    During my time in the Service I was privileged to be able to serve with the US Forces. I commanded joint forces. I had considerable respect for the men (and women) I experienced. Fine people. But even back then I had to sit them down too, Officers, NCOs and troops and read the riot act when they displayed attitudes such as this, albeit without them pissing on someone. The training American Forces get is lacking in ‘Soul’. It is fierce and effective in preparing troops for war, but counter-productive in keeping the souls safe from the dangers of hatred. Treating the enemy as sub-human (think of all the names the enemy gets called) dehumanises both the object and the subject.

    Americans need to be better than this is they are to earn the respect of the world.

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