Which Man Was Right?

Nobody Remembers

I am still reading Joseph J. Ellis’s First Family, and today I found a particular interesting passage that I thought FIT the current political scene today: How conservatives and liberals, “Now called progressives” look at life so differently, and it started way back at our founding, with Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.

Conservatives are pragmatists. Progressives are dreamers. John Adams, was a pragmatist. Thomas Jefferson, was a dreamer. And this Nobody Wonders, if the New World Order progressive got their ideas from Thomas Jefferson.

Here are some excerpts from the book, that makes it exceedingly clear: ..nothing has much changed.

When Jefferson and Adams were in Paris, representing the United States, Jefferson lived in Adams house, and so the future of the new country, and the direction it was going to take, was discussed at length. Of course, at that time, they were both highly intelligent gentleman, and bonded by the recent revolution….but that didn’t last. As you can see, they were world’s apart when it came to how they looked at the world..

Jefferson On TRADE: With regard to international trade, he described his beau ideal as the permanent elimination of all tariffs and embargoes, in effect the creation of a global marketplace committed to free trade, unencumbered by national restrictions of any sort. He proposed that all commercial negotiations with European powers, most especially Great Britain, proceed from these utopian assumptions, which he was convinced were destined to shape the international economy of the future. It was Jefferson’s anticipation of globalization.

(A view still held by Rockefeller, the Bushes, Obama, the Clintons, and every progressive that has ever had the vision of a one world government. Obama takes all his actions FIRST as a citizen of the world. Ebola is a WORLD problem. That trumps America.)

John believed that nations viewed the international marketplace through the prism of their own sovereign. Great Britain already enjoyed the lion’s share of American exports, so it had no incentive to drop import duties or make concessions to American merchants or shippers.

“We must not, my Friend, be the Bubbles of our own Liberal Sentiments.” said John.

Jefferson’s romantic prescriptions were surely beautiful, but their implementation must await arrival of the Second Coming, when all men became angels at last.

On Muslims: The Muslims were plundering European and American vessels in the western Mediterranean and eastern Atlantic, seizing the cargoes as prizes, sending the passengers and crew into slavery, then demand exorbitant ransom for their release.

(This still funds them today…kidnapping has put billions in their pockets.)

Both Adams and Jefferson met with the ambassador of Tripoli to try to solve the problem:

“The Ambassador apprised us that it was founded (the beheadings etc.) on the Laws of the Prophet that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.”

(This has NOT changed, not matter how many times Obama says it’s not so.)

Jefferson proposed an alliance of the United States and all European states victimized by these pirates ante creation of joint naval force in the Mediterranean to destroy their corsair, ravage their ports, and put an end once and for all, to their savagery. He was suggestion an early version of NATO.

John reminded him while noble, the European powers, so jealous of each other, would never agree to such an alliance. Second, the cost of such an enterprise, would be larger than the requested ransom and more than the American government would ever approve, And…America had no Navy.

John than said, “We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.”

John Adams was the senior in Paris, so he decided to pay the bribe until America could develop a Navy, and John managed to talk the ambassador down (price) by blowing larger smoke rights from a hug Turkish pipe which prompted the ambassador to exclaim, “Monsieru, vous etes un Turc.”

And it wasn’t just John that disagreed with Jefferson’s continual fantasies of a utopian world. Abigail had a different view of internal rebellions. When hearing of the Shay’s Rebellion Jefferson wrote, “I like a little rebellion now and then, It is like a storm in the atmosphere.” Abigail thought such liberal sentiments were only possible from someone safely ensconced in Paris, far from the trauma.

Abigail wrote that Jefferson seemed to take for granted, “Ignorant, wrestles desperadoes, without conscience or principles, have led a deluded multitude to follow their standard. ” They should be punished rather than pardoned, an outcome that Jefferson would be well advised to embrace.

(I’m sure both John and Abigail would say that very same thing about the Ferguson “protest.” )

Jefferson’s ‘party’ became known as the Jefferson Republicans which were really the beginnings of the Democratic party, which faded and was brought back by Andrew Jackson, who formed the party of today.

So next time you see Bill Clinton on TV, remember, his middle name isn’t “Jefferson” for nothing. The progressive idiots have been around for a very looooooooog time. And they continue to try to put the round world in their square hole.

October 17, 2014 Posted by Joyanna Adams | History | American History | 9 Comments